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	<description>Shelley Potma&#039;s Coffee-soaked Philosophies</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wow! iPhone App as an Educational Tool for Deaf Kids in Newfoundland! by education</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 02:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from Ohio! I&#039;m bored at work so I decided to browse your site on my iphone during lunch break. I really like the info you provide here and can&#039;t wait to take a look when I get home. I&#039;m shocked at how fast your blog loaded on my phone .. I&#039;m not even using WIFI, just 3G .. Anyways, superb site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from Ohio! I&#8217;m bored at work so I decided to browse your site on my iphone during lunch break. I really like the info you provide here and can&#8217;t wait to take a look when I get home. I&#8217;m shocked at how fast your blog loaded on my phone .. I&#8217;m not even using WIFI, just 3G .. Anyways, superb site!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part II: Reductionist vs Holistic Paradigms by kdevries</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdevries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that so many people underestimate if they do not fit the majority.  I have seen this in so many different ways, from growing up a low-income neighbourhood where someone said to me recently, &quot;Wow, you did well in life... for you!&quot;  Or being around immigrants who have poor English because it is not their first language.  Or having a dear friend with a cane being congratulated on making correct change.  Or being in middle school and watching the very misinformed teenagers on the bus who start making rude gestures and making grotesque faces assuming mental deficiency because I&#039;m having a conversation with a friend in ASL.  

I see so many people who are underestimated and feel terrible about themselves even though they are extremely intelligent.  My father-in-law is a good example.  His English is not strong and he feels badly that he did not pursue any education past grade ten.  I would consider him one of the most intelligent people I know (I let him know that, but not too much, you know, big-head!).  It&#039;s certainly not a command of the English language that shows you are intelligent!  I think upon interacting personally with someone you can have a better understanding of who they are, but again, underestimation and misunderstanding can still occur due to perceptions or &quot;the system&quot;.  I felt sorry for &quot;Manuel&quot; after reading his answer but our educational system does rely heavily on a mastery of the English language.  

How do we go about teaching truly bilingually?  It&#039;s not easy.  English idioms creep up so quickly even within early readers which leaves the student perplexed.  Currently my husband and I are reading some books on language acquisition and it has been interesting reading.  Many of the books discuss bilingualism but there is still the struggle of how to make learning bilingual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that so many people underestimate if they do not fit the majority.  I have seen this in so many different ways, from growing up a low-income neighbourhood where someone said to me recently, &#8220;Wow, you did well in life&#8230; for you!&#8221;  Or being around immigrants who have poor English because it is not their first language.  Or having a dear friend with a cane being congratulated on making correct change.  Or being in middle school and watching the very misinformed teenagers on the bus who start making rude gestures and making grotesque faces assuming mental deficiency because I&#8217;m having a conversation with a friend in ASL.  </p>
<p>I see so many people who are underestimated and feel terrible about themselves even though they are extremely intelligent.  My father-in-law is a good example.  His English is not strong and he feels badly that he did not pursue any education past grade ten.  I would consider him one of the most intelligent people I know (I let him know that, but not too much, you know, big-head!).  It&#8217;s certainly not a command of the English language that shows you are intelligent!  I think upon interacting personally with someone you can have a better understanding of who they are, but again, underestimation and misunderstanding can still occur due to perceptions or &#8220;the system&#8221;.  I felt sorry for &#8220;Manuel&#8221; after reading his answer but our educational system does rely heavily on a mastery of the English language.  </p>
<p>How do we go about teaching truly bilingually?  It&#8217;s not easy.  English idioms creep up so quickly even within early readers which leaves the student perplexed.  Currently my husband and I are reading some books on language acquisition and it has been interesting reading.  Many of the books discuss bilingualism but there is still the struggle of how to make learning bilingual.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part II: Reductionist vs Holistic Paradigms by Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely,Don.  You raised a very important point.  I noticed that phenomenon when I was growing up at Alberta School for the Deaf.  Because I was proficient in English, I was labeled &quot;smart&quot; and even gifted (not just by classmates but by teachers as well) when compared to my classmates who were not as proficient in English. You and I share the same experiences and observations.  You and I both know that just because students aren&#039;t great at English doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re not intelligent.  

This is why the term misunderestimation is key here.  The system misunderestimated people like Gary Malkowski. This misunderestimation continues to to this day.  In some ways, I think it&#039;s worse today due to current educational trend for Deaf children, which completely disregards the importance of ASL, and bilingualism. 

This phenomenon you mentioned, Don, has been quite divisive. It&#039;s like the paper bag test.  You pass the litmus test of English proficiency, you fit better into the majority, or so the assumption goes. It divides you from others who are more comfortable with ASL and less so with English.  I suspect the same division occurs with the Latino student populace. This is one facet of language oppression/marginalization. 
When you pass the litmus test, you escape the underestimation part of the misunderestimation phenomenon, though you still get misunderstood by the system.  Others who fail the litmus test gets the full brunt of systemic misunderestimation phenomenon.  That&#039;s brutal on the student&#039;s self-image, which gets truly warped against the self, just like Manuel, and like several classmates that we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely,Don.  You raised a very important point.  I noticed that phenomenon when I was growing up at Alberta School for the Deaf.  Because I was proficient in English, I was labeled &#8220;smart&#8221; and even gifted (not just by classmates but by teachers as well) when compared to my classmates who were not as proficient in English. You and I share the same experiences and observations.  You and I both know that just because students aren&#8217;t great at English doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re not intelligent.  </p>
<p>This is why the term misunderestimation is key here.  The system misunderestimated people like Gary Malkowski. This misunderestimation continues to to this day.  In some ways, I think it&#8217;s worse today due to current educational trend for Deaf children, which completely disregards the importance of ASL, and bilingualism. </p>
<p>This phenomenon you mentioned, Don, has been quite divisive. It&#8217;s like the paper bag test.  You pass the litmus test of English proficiency, you fit better into the majority, or so the assumption goes. It divides you from others who are more comfortable with ASL and less so with English.  I suspect the same division occurs with the Latino student populace. This is one facet of language oppression/marginalization.<br />
When you pass the litmus test, you escape the underestimation part of the misunderestimation phenomenon, though you still get misunderstood by the system.  Others who fail the litmus test gets the full brunt of systemic misunderestimation phenomenon.  That&#8217;s brutal on the student&#8217;s self-image, which gets truly warped against the self, just like Manuel, and like several classmates that we know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part II: Reductionist vs Holistic Paradigms by Don G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should point out that Juan Carlos is not necessarily &quot;smarter&quot; than Manuel. But it it probably the case that Juan Carlos is more English-proficient, at least in the written realm, and therefore receives more positive attention than Manuel, so Manuel FEELS that JC is &quot;smarter&quot;.  

I noticed this same phenomenon when I attended MSSD.  Many students labeled me as &quot;smart&quot; primarily based on my ability to read and write English well.  And I have seen some Deaf people who do not have good written English demonstrate high levels of intellectual thinking in their verbal (signed) arguments or their achievements, like Gary Malkowski becoming an MP in Canada or a good friend of mine getting a phd and becoming a supt. of a Deaf school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should point out that Juan Carlos is not necessarily &#8220;smarter&#8221; than Manuel. But it it probably the case that Juan Carlos is more English-proficient, at least in the written realm, and therefore receives more positive attention than Manuel, so Manuel FEELS that JC is &#8220;smarter&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I noticed this same phenomenon when I attended MSSD.  Many students labeled me as &#8220;smart&#8221; primarily based on my ability to read and write English well.  And I have seen some Deaf people who do not have good written English demonstrate high levels of intellectual thinking in their verbal (signed) arguments or their achievements, like Gary Malkowski becoming an MP in Canada or a good friend of mine getting a phd and becoming a supt. of a Deaf school.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parallel Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part I: &#8220;Manuel&#8221; by kdevries</title>
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		<dc:creator>kdevries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found your blog!  When I read the statement by the grade four boy, I wondered if there were ESL considerations and it is fairly understandable in English if you sound it out.  I think just to be given the paper without knowing the child, I would have rated it lower (not a 1, because it is readable IF you sound it out, but very difficult if you can&#039;t hear the English!).  I&#039;m off to read the rest of your response... I am especially curious to read about your views with an ASL/English bilingual education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found your blog!  When I read the statement by the grade four boy, I wondered if there were ESL considerations and it is fairly understandable in English if you sound it out.  I think just to be given the paper without knowing the child, I would have rated it lower (not a 1, because it is readable IF you sound it out, but very difficult if you can&#8217;t hear the English!).  I&#8217;m off to read the rest of your response&#8230; I am especially curious to read about your views with an ASL/English bilingual education.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Parallel Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part I: &#8220;Manuel&#8221; by Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part II: Reductionist vs Holistic Paradigms &#124; Shel: A Deaf Canadian&#039;s Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oppression of Spanish and ASL in Education Part II: Reductionist vs Holistic Paradigms &#124; Shel: A Deaf Canadian&#039;s Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faced by bilingual Latino students, and the ones faced by Deaf ASL/English bilingual students.  In Manuel’s situation, did the teachers who marked his written test check his passage for content—that is, did Manuel [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] faced by bilingual Latino students, and the ones faced by Deaf ASL/English bilingual students.  In Manuel’s situation, did the teachers who marked his written test check his passage for content—that is, did Manuel [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by lucia</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 04:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.. i love this. you are amazing!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rate This! A Writing Test of a Grade 4 Student by Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you asked that question, Shelley.  That will be discussed in another post, for sure.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rate This! A Writing Test of a Grade 4 Student by Shelley Guinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley Guinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, given what I know of this exercise, this response received a poor - fair grade. It&#039;s readable knowing this student relied on hearing and sounding out the words as he wrote along. He had answered two questions of who he wanted to be and why he wanted to be that person, even though his poor spelling and grammatical structures were not in place. It could be easily corrected through spelling and writing activities in class and home. 

My concern is this - why is his writing like this at grade 4?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, given what I know of this exercise, this response received a poor &#8211; fair grade. It&#8217;s readable knowing this student relied on hearing and sounding out the words as he wrote along. He had answered two questions of who he wanted to be and why he wanted to be that person, even though his poor spelling and grammatical structures were not in place. It could be easily corrected through spelling and writing activities in class and home. </p>
<p>My concern is this &#8211; why is his writing like this at grade 4?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rate This! A Writing Test of a Grade 4 Student by Karina Laari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karina Laari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rate this response as a 1 - Unreadable. Very few words in this response were spelled correctly, and as a result, I wasn&#039;t able to understand who the student was talking about, and what the student was saying. There are too many spelling errors, so it is impossible to understand at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rate this response as a 1 &#8211; Unreadable. Very few words in this response were spelled correctly, and as a result, I wasn&#8217;t able to understand who the student was talking about, and what the student was saying. There are too many spelling errors, so it is impossible to understand at all.</p>
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