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	<title>Comments on: Guilty of Dysconscious Linguicism Part II</title>
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	<description>Shelley Potma&#039;s Coffee-soaked Philosophies</description>
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		<title>By: Deaf Village</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Deaf Village</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was it to try and appear more &#8220;intelligent&#8221; and more &#8220;educated&#8221; hoping that linguicism would prevail on the part of the committee looking favorably at Tim&#8217;s pleas and be impressed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was it to try and appear more &#8220;intelligent&#8221; and more &#8220;educated&#8221; hoping that linguicism would prevail on the part of the committee looking favorably at Tim&#8217;s pleas and be impressed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cna training</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>cna training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 03:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>found your site on del.icio.us today and really liked it.. i bookmarked it and will be back to check it out some more later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>found your site on del.icio.us today and really liked it.. i bookmarked it and will be back to check it out some more later</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>MM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand it was via a comment on one of Shel&#039;s blog, I will look it up again.  There was no claim at all that I represent an UK overall view, I represent my own view as an UK deaf person, and have never suggested otherwise.  My blog is the last word on that.   As regards to the terminology, I cannot accept what doesn&#039;t exist, it&#039;s not a matter of denial.  I accept discrimination does only a fool says differently, but that is what it is, discrimination.

I don&#039;t feel a need for an alternative word for it and most don&#039;t.   I&#039;ve been attacked for being deaf, it&#039;s been on record and on UK police files too.   This is what annoys many at deaf.read the suggestion if you don&#039;t agree with something then YOU are some &#039;audist&#039; or other, or &#039;hate&#039; deaf people, or..... fascism started much the same way in Germany.  

Today deafhood has spawned a form of  &#039;terminological fascism&#039;, and yes, both terms exist in a dictionary.  I&#039;m none too sure deafhood actually does either.  It probably won&#039;t be for a while because clearly you are still debating what it is...  I&#039;m wondering who is in denial here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand it was via a comment on one of Shel&#8217;s blog, I will look it up again.  There was no claim at all that I represent an UK overall view, I represent my own view as an UK deaf person, and have never suggested otherwise.  My blog is the last word on that.   As regards to the terminology, I cannot accept what doesn&#8217;t exist, it&#8217;s not a matter of denial.  I accept discrimination does only a fool says differently, but that is what it is, discrimination.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t feel a need for an alternative word for it and most don&#8217;t.   I&#8217;ve been attacked for being deaf, it&#8217;s been on record and on UK police files too.   This is what annoys many at deaf.read the suggestion if you don&#8217;t agree with something then YOU are some &#8216;audist&#8217; or other, or &#8216;hate&#8217; deaf people, or&#8230;.. fascism started much the same way in Germany.  </p>
<p>Today deafhood has spawned a form of  &#8216;terminological fascism&#8217;, and yes, both terms exist in a dictionary.  I&#8217;m none too sure deafhood actually does either.  It probably won&#8217;t be for a while because clearly you are still debating what it is&#8230;  I&#8217;m wondering who is in denial here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Candy</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>Candy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what Nikki said:   yep, the notion that one is automatically guilty of audism because of linguicism is absurd. The purpose of my original vlog is﻿ to provoke and it DID!

Good reason why any isms should be avoided.  You can try to discuss this issue without getting into all that isms.  It is not getting anyone anywhere.   Nikki originally did this linguicism series in response to a sign that an ASL student used which this student also challenged her on.  In no way was she using it between deaf. 

Keep things simple. If you felt you have been oppressed, say oppressed.  This will more likely garner more discussion that might enlighten people rather than offend and who knows..you might get more out of it this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what Nikki said:   yep, the notion that one is automatically guilty of audism because of linguicism is absurd. The purpose of my original vlog is﻿ to provoke and it DID!</p>
<p>Good reason why any isms should be avoided.  You can try to discuss this issue without getting into all that isms.  It is not getting anyone anywhere.   Nikki originally did this linguicism series in response to a sign that an ASL student used which this student also challenged her on.  In no way was she using it between deaf. </p>
<p>Keep things simple. If you felt you have been oppressed, say oppressed.  This will more likely garner more discussion that might enlighten people rather than offend and who knows..you might get more out of it this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Don G.</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Don G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MM -- PLEASE point me to the v/blog in which I &quot;refuted&quot; the existence of the term dysconscious!  If I ever did that, then I need to either take it off or clarify my words.  

I suspect that you will actually be UNABLE to find any such v/blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MM &#8212; PLEASE point me to the v/blog in which I &#8220;refuted&#8221; the existence of the term dysconscious!  If I ever did that, then I need to either take it off or clarify my words.  </p>
<p>I suspect that you will actually be UNABLE to find any such v/blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Deafchip</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Deafchip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how they have denied the reality of audism and linguicism. I am not sure how they think that way even though they know audism and linguicism do exist.

When we share our experiences and yet, they criticize our experiences. Yes there is something wrong with the picture. I can&#039;t fathom their mystified attitudes and preplexed views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how they have denied the reality of audism and linguicism. I am not sure how they think that way even though they know audism and linguicism do exist.</p>
<p>When we share our experiences and yet, they criticize our experiences. Yes there is something wrong with the picture. I can&#8217;t fathom their mystified attitudes and preplexed views.</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dianrez, that is an interesting viewpoint. &quot; People who resist new words are actually resisting recognition of the concepts they were coined to describe.&quot;  This makes sense.  If people are actually resisting recognition of the concepts per se, then it won&#039;t matter what terms are chosen if they resist the concepts per se, would it? I think some people actually RESIST the concepts themselves more than the terms. 

I wouldn&#039;t say unconscious, but subconscious would be a better choice to describe what&#039;s happening. :) Yeah, I know semantics, semantics.  But your suggestion for oppression as a term to be used... well, oppression is such a broad term, and we need to get specific if we are to change the status quo.  Martin Luther King could have cried OPPRESSION instead of RACISM.  But it was RACISM that was raised. Oppression encompasses so many types of behaviours, and it is easier to ignore specifics. 

But, you&#039;re correct: quibbling is one way of sweeping things under the carpet.  There are those who will remove the carpet, and examine issues.  I think that is the way things have always been since recorded history.  There are people who prefer to keep the status quo and refuse to examine issues, while there are others who confront issues head-on and press for changes for the better.  This shakes people out of their comfort zone for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dianrez, that is an interesting viewpoint. &#8221; People who resist new words are actually resisting recognition of the concepts they were coined to describe.&#8221;  This makes sense.  If people are actually resisting recognition of the concepts per se, then it won&#8217;t matter what terms are chosen if they resist the concepts per se, would it? I think some people actually RESIST the concepts themselves more than the terms. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say unconscious, but subconscious would be a better choice to describe what&#8217;s happening. <img src='http://www.deafcanadian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yeah, I know semantics, semantics.  But your suggestion for oppression as a term to be used&#8230; well, oppression is such a broad term, and we need to get specific if we are to change the status quo.  Martin Luther King could have cried OPPRESSION instead of RACISM.  But it was RACISM that was raised. Oppression encompasses so many types of behaviours, and it is easier to ignore specifics. </p>
<p>But, you&#8217;re correct: quibbling is one way of sweeping things under the carpet.  There are those who will remove the carpet, and examine issues.  I think that is the way things have always been since recorded history.  There are people who prefer to keep the status quo and refuse to examine issues, while there are others who confront issues head-on and press for changes for the better.  This shakes people out of their comfort zone for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianrez</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who resist new words are actually resisting recognition of the concepts they were coined to describe.

Dysconscious may not be a dictionary word yet, but unconscious is. If you like this word better, then use it instead of quibbling. We need to recognize what it means. Same for audism, if you don&#039;t like that word, then use oppression. The concept is still there, as ugly and it needs to be dealt with.

Picking on the semantics is a tired old way to sweep things under the carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who resist new words are actually resisting recognition of the concepts they were coined to describe.</p>
<p>Dysconscious may not be a dictionary word yet, but unconscious is. If you like this word better, then use it instead of quibbling. We need to recognize what it means. Same for audism, if you don&#8217;t like that word, then use oppression. The concept is still there, as ugly and it needs to be dealt with.</p>
<p>Picking on the semantics is a tired old way to sweep things under the carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: the one and only ridor</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>the one and only ridor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, MM, you do not REPRESENT the Deaf UKs.  I have tons of Deaf friends living in England and they knew who you are -- they disparaged you repeatedly in the past.  They also indicated that the main reason why you went online to harass Deaf people on the other side of Atlantic Ocean is because your words do not get across to anyone else in UK!! 

Many Deaf Brits already recognized the concept of Deafhood -- why do you think they protested to the government to include BSL as an official language in UK?!  The bottom line is that you are not being heard nor read in UK, you had to harass someone else somewhere else.

Again, DeafRead is pretty limited to certain few.  Which is why DeafRead &amp; DVTV are *dead* these days with less-than-quality vlogs/blogs.  

Audism exists.  Autism was a term that did not come in the picture in early 1900s!  And your point is?  The truth is that you ... are afraid of the inconvenient truth.

R-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, MM, you do not REPRESENT the Deaf UKs.  I have tons of Deaf friends living in England and they knew who you are &#8212; they disparaged you repeatedly in the past.  They also indicated that the main reason why you went online to harass Deaf people on the other side of Atlantic Ocean is because your words do not get across to anyone else in UK!! </p>
<p>Many Deaf Brits already recognized the concept of Deafhood &#8212; why do you think they protested to the government to include BSL as an official language in UK?!  The bottom line is that you are not being heard nor read in UK, you had to harass someone else somewhere else.</p>
<p>Again, DeafRead is pretty limited to certain few.  Which is why DeafRead &amp; DVTV are *dead* these days with less-than-quality vlogs/blogs.  </p>
<p>Audism exists.  Autism was a term that did not come in the picture in early 1900s!  And your point is?  The truth is that you &#8230; are afraid of the inconvenient truth.</p>
<p>R-</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2010/04/10/guilty-of-dysconscious-linguicism-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply because a term isn&#039;t in the dictionary doesn&#039;t mean it is in any way invalid as a term.  Racism was coined and used for 30+ years before it was finally put in a dictionary.  It doesn&#039;t mean racism didn&#039;t exist for that 30+ years before it was in a dictionary.  It wasn&#039;t in limbo.  It was a serious reality for those who experienced racism.  The same applies to audism. 
dysconscious (the link I showed you was from a book, NOT  Wikipedia) is indeed a valid term. Perhaps you should check that link I posted in an earlier comment to you in response to your response to Don G.  

Just because there is no official recognition of a term doesn&#039;t mean the phenomenon doesn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply because a term isn&#8217;t in the dictionary doesn&#8217;t mean it is in any way invalid as a term.  Racism was coined and used for 30+ years before it was finally put in a dictionary.  It doesn&#8217;t mean racism didn&#8217;t exist for that 30+ years before it was in a dictionary.  It wasn&#8217;t in limbo.  It was a serious reality for those who experienced racism.  The same applies to audism.<br />
dysconscious (the link I showed you was from a book, NOT  Wikipedia) is indeed a valid term. Perhaps you should check that link I posted in an earlier comment to you in response to your response to Don G.  </p>
<p>Just because there is no official recognition of a term doesn&#8217;t mean the phenomenon doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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