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	<description>Shelley Potma&#039;s Coffee-soaked Philosophies</description>
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		<title>By: Davide</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2009/09/11/the-diseased-tree-at-dvtv/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>needed here</description>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
		<link>http://www.deafcanadian.com/2009/09/11/the-diseased-tree-at-dvtv/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, you raised an valid point.  You&#039;re indeed correct that there is no real legal protection at the US federal level.  At the state level, the protection is spotty at best.  I did some research over the summer for my 7-part Deaf and Gay Parallels blog series.  The 2nd-part is titled Deaf and Gay Parallels Part II: The Impact of the Medical Label deals with that very issue (except I did not focus on the adoption of children or marriage rights).  You might find that blog post interesting.

Both the LGBT and Deaf communities need allies from the majority group if they are to stop the second-class citizenship treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, you raised an valid point.  You&#8217;re indeed correct that there is no real legal protection at the US federal level.  At the state level, the protection is spotty at best.  I did some research over the summer for my 7-part Deaf and Gay Parallels blog series.  The 2nd-part is titled Deaf and Gay Parallels Part II: The Impact of the Medical Label deals with that very issue (except I did not focus on the adoption of children or marriage rights).  You might find that blog post interesting.</p>
<p>Both the LGBT and Deaf communities need allies from the majority group if they are to stop the second-class citizenship treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shel, your Vlogs are always wonderfully thought out, clear and thought-provoking.  Thanks for adding to the discussion about DVTV, audism and all of the rest.

One point I&#039;d like to clarify, as it is often overlooked.  As much as we would LIKE to think that there are laws protecting the LGBT community from discriminiation, the truth is that very few places actually outlaw anti-Gay discrimination.  There is NO US law that makes it illegal to discriminate against gay people in the work place, in terms of access to services, in adoption of children, or in access to marriage rights.  In fact, Gay people are woafully ill-protected by laws (in the US, to be sure).

Many straight folks assume that it is illegal to discriminate against Gay people.  To them, it makes perfect sense that one should not discriminate against Gay people.  Sadly, no such laws exist.  

We LGBT people NEED the straight community.  We need you all to understand that the appropriate laws DO NOT EXIST.  With that knowledge, you can join us in our fight to be recognized fully as people.

Ah, but this is one small detail in a brilliant Vlog.  Thanks for sharing your brilliance and creativity with the rest of us.

Danny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shel, your Vlogs are always wonderfully thought out, clear and thought-provoking.  Thanks for adding to the discussion about DVTV, audism and all of the rest.</p>
<p>One point I&#8217;d like to clarify, as it is often overlooked.  As much as we would LIKE to think that there are laws protecting the LGBT community from discriminiation, the truth is that very few places actually outlaw anti-Gay discrimination.  There is NO US law that makes it illegal to discriminate against gay people in the work place, in terms of access to services, in adoption of children, or in access to marriage rights.  In fact, Gay people are woafully ill-protected by laws (in the US, to be sure).</p>
<p>Many straight folks assume that it is illegal to discriminate against Gay people.  To them, it makes perfect sense that one should not discriminate against Gay people.  Sadly, no such laws exist.  </p>
<p>We LGBT people NEED the straight community.  We need you all to understand that the appropriate laws DO NOT EXIST.  With that knowledge, you can join us in our fight to be recognized fully as people.</p>
<p>Ah, but this is one small detail in a brilliant Vlog.  Thanks for sharing your brilliance and creativity with the rest of us.</p>
<p>Danny</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridor,

I have to clarify something.  You seemed to say this website is for Canadians?  Clearly I gave the wrong impression.  I&#039;m Canadian therefore this website is Canadian.  However, my website is for everyone to view and leave comments here if they so wish.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridor,</p>
<p>I have to clarify something.  You seemed to say this website is for Canadians?  Clearly I gave the wrong impression.  I&#8217;m Canadian therefore this website is Canadian.  However, my website is for everyone to view and leave comments here if they so wish.  <img src='http://www.deafcanadian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hola, you are correct.  I did not offer a solution.  

Your suggestion is a good one, and I like it.  The problem with that is...  
This would require that Tayler actually recognize the issues and see the need for an overhaul,  spring-cleaning (or as is the case, fall-cleaning).   If he acknowledges the issues and removes that diseased tree and begins anew, I would most definitely consider returning.  

 Another problem is that people are arguing about what constitutes audism, and what does not.  There are those who actually recognize the term, and that it  is more than a theory.  There are others who deny it.  What compounds this is that some people refuses to recognize that audism exists in the horizontal oppression occurring in our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hola, you are correct.  I did not offer a solution.  </p>
<p>Your suggestion is a good one, and I like it.  The problem with that is&#8230;<br />
This would require that Tayler actually recognize the issues and see the need for an overhaul,  spring-cleaning (or as is the case, fall-cleaning).   If he acknowledges the issues and removes that diseased tree and begins anew, I would most definitely consider returning.  </p>
<p> Another problem is that people are arguing about what constitutes audism, and what does not.  There are those who actually recognize the term, and that it  is more than a theory.  There are others who deny it.  What compounds this is that some people refuses to recognize that audism exists in the horizontal oppression occurring in our community.</p>
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		<title>By: Hola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analogy but you failed to offer solution.

What if Tayler decide to close DVTV for one week and open again after clean-up and cooldown period? Or you have better suggestion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analogy but you failed to offer solution.</p>
<p>What if Tayler decide to close DVTV for one week and open again after clean-up and cooldown period? Or you have better suggestion?</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go to my youtube, Ridor.  Thanks for dropping by here! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go to my youtube, Ridor.  Thanks for dropping by here! <img src='http://www.deafcanadian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: the one and only ridor</title>
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		<dc:creator>the one and only ridor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great vlog.  YOu certainly have the introduction, build-up and hitting the climax then wrap it up ... all the ingredients for a story to be told!

Since this is for Canadians, I&#039;ll jump on your youtube.com to make a video response!

R-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great vlog.  YOu certainly have the introduction, build-up and hitting the climax then wrap it up &#8230; all the ingredients for a story to be told!</p>
<p>Since this is for Canadians, I&#8217;ll jump on your youtube.com to make a video response!</p>
<p>R-</p>
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		<title>By: Shel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brenster,

I completely understand your need for time to digest all that has been happening.  It certainly took me a couple of days to digest the latest situation.  It came to the point where I HAD to take my stand against oppression and unethical tactics employed by those who seek to intimidate and silence others, and the fact that double standards are being practiced.  Tayler has said audism is under cyberbullying at r-list.  I looked.  NOPE.  

You know, you have a point, Brenster. if people don&#039;t recognize their mistakes nor learn from them, they are doomed to repeat it.  History has proven that over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brenster,</p>
<p>I completely understand your need for time to digest all that has been happening.  It certainly took me a couple of days to digest the latest situation.  It came to the point where I HAD to take my stand against oppression and unethical tactics employed by those who seek to intimidate and silence others, and the fact that double standards are being practiced.  Tayler has said audism is under cyberbullying at r-list.  I looked.  NOPE.  </p>
<p>You know, you have a point, Brenster. if people don&#8217;t recognize their mistakes nor learn from them, they are doomed to repeat it.  History has proven that over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: brenster-</title>
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		<dc:creator>brenster-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ;-) Sorry that I didn&#039;t offer much to say earlier. I was (and still am) processing from the whole DVTV audistic drama! I am so mind-blown by incredible inconsistency in Tayler Mayer&#039;s decisions. 

*Bans one person for name calling, but allows another and several others for the same thing (and their videos are still on DVTV). 

*Does not allow videos (involving name calling or any videos that Tayler does not like) to appear on DVTV, yet allows other videos that involves name calling and cyber-harassing to appear on DVTV. One excellent example: Not allowing Barb&#039;s &quot;The Wizard of DVTV&quot; to appear on DVTV but allowing that chicken farm (of sort, I never care for his so-called creative works on videos, really) to appear on DVTV. That boy&#039;s video involves name-calling, but Barb&#039;s video didn&#039;t even involve name-calling. Why wasn&#039;t Barb&#039;s video on DVTV? Copyright-infringement of the film? Hey, that boy is guilty of this as well! Not only his, but that &quot;pretend-mafia&quot; guy&#039;s video also appeared on DVTV!

*Tayler Mayer posted his two-part vlog series (which btw were long and full of blab blab blab, distracting us from the REAL ISSUES). In one of those, he said the goal for DVTV according to R-List is to promote healthy discussion... 

&quot;The main goal of the R-LIST is to promote and maintain a healthy and positive environment at DeafVIDEO.TV.&quot; (http://www.deafvideo.tv/r-list)

Those chicken farm and how dh blew it videos do not promote healthy and positive environment at DVTV. Those videos promote the rise of hate. 

I was like, WTF? Tayler Mayer of DVTV is completely inconsistent! 

I am all for different opinions from all sides - for our side, we must be able to express FREELY whatever we want to discuss about: DEAFHOOD, ASL, DEAF PRIDE, anything without being consistently persecuted and harassed by others with their brainwashing and intimidating tactics. That&#039;s what I understand from the very first sentence in the R-List. 

Unfortunately, this rule does not accurately reflect on DVTV. 

Back to your tree analogy, I like the way you described the roots (audism, hate, etc), and DVTV as the tree... The only thing that will never happen as your neighbor did to treat his lawn (removed the tree, removed the roots, removed the dirt, and start all over again). If the tree, roots, grass, dirt are all removed from DVTV, it&#039;ll still be useless because the new tree, roots, grass will still be nurtured by Tayler who allowed all those ugliness to occur in the first place... 

You and others did the right thing to walk out, and go to a greener pasture. It&#039;s all about holding true principles, really.

I&#039;m proud of you all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <img src='http://www.deafcanadian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sorry that I didn&#8217;t offer much to say earlier. I was (and still am) processing from the whole DVTV audistic drama! I am so mind-blown by incredible inconsistency in Tayler Mayer&#8217;s decisions. </p>
<p>*Bans one person for name calling, but allows another and several others for the same thing (and their videos are still on DVTV). </p>
<p>*Does not allow videos (involving name calling or any videos that Tayler does not like) to appear on DVTV, yet allows other videos that involves name calling and cyber-harassing to appear on DVTV. One excellent example: Not allowing Barb&#8217;s &#8220;The Wizard of DVTV&#8221; to appear on DVTV but allowing that chicken farm (of sort, I never care for his so-called creative works on videos, really) to appear on DVTV. That boy&#8217;s video involves name-calling, but Barb&#8217;s video didn&#8217;t even involve name-calling. Why wasn&#8217;t Barb&#8217;s video on DVTV? Copyright-infringement of the film? Hey, that boy is guilty of this as well! Not only his, but that &#8220;pretend-mafia&#8221; guy&#8217;s video also appeared on DVTV!</p>
<p>*Tayler Mayer posted his two-part vlog series (which btw were long and full of blab blab blab, distracting us from the REAL ISSUES). In one of those, he said the goal for DVTV according to R-List is to promote healthy discussion&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;The main goal of the R-LIST is to promote and maintain a healthy and positive environment at DeafVIDEO.TV.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.deafvideo.tv/r-list" rel="nofollow">http://www.deafvideo.tv/r-list</a>)</p>
<p>Those chicken farm and how dh blew it videos do not promote healthy and positive environment at DVTV. Those videos promote the rise of hate. </p>
<p>I was like, WTF? Tayler Mayer of DVTV is completely inconsistent! </p>
<p>I am all for different opinions from all sides &#8211; for our side, we must be able to express FREELY whatever we want to discuss about: DEAFHOOD, ASL, DEAF PRIDE, anything without being consistently persecuted and harassed by others with their brainwashing and intimidating tactics. That&#8217;s what I understand from the very first sentence in the R-List. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this rule does not accurately reflect on DVTV. </p>
<p>Back to your tree analogy, I like the way you described the roots (audism, hate, etc), and DVTV as the tree&#8230; The only thing that will never happen as your neighbor did to treat his lawn (removed the tree, removed the roots, removed the dirt, and start all over again). If the tree, roots, grass, dirt are all removed from DVTV, it&#8217;ll still be useless because the new tree, roots, grass will still be nurtured by Tayler who allowed all those ugliness to occur in the first place&#8230; </p>
<p>You and others did the right thing to walk out, and go to a greener pasture. It&#8217;s all about holding true principles, really.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud of you all!</p>
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